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Well I agree with that now. user BountyHunter Obama (not osama) isnt doing noting and just doing speeches and speeches about doing that this and that. This fact of war and peace Obama is just smoking gunja and letting Mr.Putin is just do anything but not worry about his people and other country is something the UN should worry about

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as you know ... in Russian politics people do not throw their shoes, and only one Russian politician off his shoes and pounding on podium and threatening America on behalf of Union republics,
and Russia did not send its troops to other countries "for the settlement of the democratic process" and allows people themselves to create the future of their country.
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@user BountyHunter: You know nothing about Putin, do you?

Putin is one of the greatest modern presidents in my opinion. He contributed a lot to his country, while his western counterparts were involved in wars (including the proxy war in Ukraine) all the time.
And now they are trying to spread lies about Putin and Russia, because USA fears its downfall. And you fell for it.

Obama won the nobel peace prize for what? Bombing millions of innocent people?

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@user BountyHunter: Perhaps that is why US government is killing american people in 9/11 and in other dates.
Probably that is why US government is trying to start next war and wash its HUGE DEBT.
For example On February 1, 2015 according to Ministry of Finance of Russia amount of reserve fund was 5 864.90 billion. Rubles (~85,09 billion. dollars).

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I hate russians and I won't be afraid to say it. I can't hold when I'm reading history, how russians tortured our people and those, who were fighting for our liberty. Putin is a lier and he's afraid, too, of US. Obama's not good president, too. He's acting stupidly and afraids to poke his nose off.

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@user BountyHunter: Then i think you are a child(I do not want to injure/miff you in this words), because your opinion change your outlook.
1 you hate other countries and peoples of cases committed in past and what can not be changed.
2 you form an opinion about characteristics unfamiliar to you people rumored, and not according to their deeds (I mean what he does for his people).

The modern world implies desire to think with your head and not listen to rumors.

Are you sure that it is necessary to quarrel and fight with your neighbors, provided that you have nowhere to move? (We all have only one planet...still)

I am Russian (you can hate me) and I'm not going to blame all Americans for fact that their government is trying to start another world war. And I quite adequately understand reasons for this ... and maybe if I were in their place that would also be one way of solving problem of debtor. But this solution is pathetic.

My people, or more precisely the nations that are part of it, according to story were attacked at different times and by different peoples (Russian experienced a lot of wars), but nevertheless I do not see any reason to keep this in mind - world is changing, perhaps soon erased all boundaries, will be a single language, and who then will need nonsense stories?

So in any case, at this moment to my mind Ukrainians should decide - they want to point fingers in their problems or want to solve their problems?

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Well, @user Pagyra: , I don't say I'm right all the time. Then I should say that there are good russians as well as americans, but government of Russia is very bad and unpeaceful. Putin promised to stop fire on Sunday (so, he agreed that rebels are controlled by his government). It stopped, yeah, but only for a few hours. So be logic and use your brains to find out what's really going on.

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1 you hate other countries and peoples of cases committed in past and what can not be changed.

Don't want to get into this discussion as I'm more interested in other things but let me ask you this: if I stole your car yesterday and killed your wife, would you act friendly with me today just because it was yesterday? Doesn't make much sense, does it?

Hate is a bit too hard IMO. What I myself feel is 'negative outlook' just because I've learned what happened (and still see signs of what happened in everyday life) in the past. No way could I just plain act like it's 'all in the past'. I respect the choices Russia makes but I question whether they're really proper choices.

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@user Rainoth:
> Impying that whole Russia and all their people made all the same deeds at the same time.

Choices were made by different people in different times, that's what he meant. So your argument is invalid.

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@user Infinite Rain: Why would you care of the circumstances? If you did absolutely nothing to me and then I punched you in the face, you'd ignore it, branding my action as "only one person, not everyone"?

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if I stole your car yesterday and killed your wife, would you act friendly with me today just because it was yesterday?

No likely I'll kill you, or otherwise punish you according to law.
But I will treat kindly and act friendly to your son / daughter / relatives because they are not you.

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@user Mora: Not everyone understands Russian.

However, you guys should calm down. Every country might have a more or less dark past, but we are talking about today.

After 1990, Russia was open for relations with western countries, but USA was not. Instead, they spent more and more money into military, messed up countless countries and took former Soviet-occupied countries into the EU/NATO. And people yet claim that Russia is the bad guy here? Where is the logic?

USA has hundreds of military bases around the world, but Russia has only 5-10 which are all justified and reasonable.
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